Question:
PADI Advanced Open Water Help?
regina fallange
2012-01-20 04:06:32 UTC
I'm a PADI open water diver. I have joined my university's Dive Society but that uses BSAC.

I would like to progress to PADI advanced open water. I know this involves 5 dives and theory, but do you have to do it all under supervision? For example, could I do the theory by myself using PADI's e-learning system?

I ask because I am going to Cyprus at Easter with other divers from uni, where we will be doing wreck dives, multilevel dives, night dives etc, and I am also going to Capernwray in a couple of weeks which will cover my drysuit dive too.

Seen as I am going to be doing all those dives anyway I would love if I could get another qualification out of it! Who needs to sign the dives off to qualify? Would it just be dive staff at the dive sites? (at Capernwray and Dive site in Cyprus).

Thanks!
Eight answers:
tjs282
2012-01-20 07:38:12 UTC
As with all PADI courses, the PADI AOWD dives have specific theoretical and practical performance requirements which must be met in order to 'pass' the dive (and hence gain the AOWD rating). These performance requirements can only be assessed and verified -- and the dive signed off as complete -- by a PADI instructor who is in 'teaching status' for the current year (i.e. they have paid their annual membership fees, are receiving standards updates, and are not currently suspended for standards violations).



While the theoretical component can largely be completed in your own time, and is minimal compared to the OWD course (consisting simply of reading the relevant five chapters in the AOWD manual, and completing the Knowledge Reviews), your answers to the KR must still be reviewed/signed off by a teaching-status PADI Assistant Instructor (AI) or better.



Although the training dives do not all have to be conducted by a single instructor/company, a PADI Open Water Scuba Instructor (OWSI) or better MUST be present at the dive site and monitoring each training dive, so that s/he can correctly explain the dive performance requirements, and verify (either directly or indirectly) that they have been successfully completed. The PADI standards do not require the instructor to accompany the student on all the dives: for the Navigation and most of the elective dives, the student(s) may be accompanied in-water by a PADI Divemaster/AI, or even just their buddy, with the OWSI+ providing surface cover and monitoring the buddy pair's progress and position (via their bubbles, or an SMB).



(That said, I believe that UK H&S legislation requires that all training dives conducted in UK waters be supervised in-water by at least one certified diver with 'dive leadership' skills -- not sure if/how that applies to diving with your Uni club in Cyprus).



PADI make at least one exception to the above rule: the (obligatory) Deep Dive MUST be directly supervised in-water by a PADI OWSI+. I believe the AOWD Wreck Dive must also be directly supervised by an instructor (and even if not, this would still be a good idea if you're hoping to do it on the Zenobia!). As such, you could not simply do a deep (>18 m) or wreck dive, bring your logbook to a dive centre, and expect them to sign it off as one of your AOWD dives (according to PADI standards, anyway).



Caveat:

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Ideally, and if the dive centre/instructor is following PADI standards, this should also be true for every dive you do for the AOWD rating. An AOWD training dive should be planned and executed as such from the start: a random drysuit / night / multilevel / photography dive should not be signed off 'ex post facto' as an AOWD dive. While you may well be able to find instructors in Cyprus who are willing to do this for the price of a pint (or less!), they will be breaking standards, and you will not get the full benefit of the AOWD course/rating. Doing so will leave you 'certified' without actually being 'skilled' -- and while you may not care about this right now, you will likely regret it later.



For example, learning to navigate large/complex patterns successfully during your AOWD dives (e.g. the AOWD Navigation, Search+Recovery, and/or Night dives -- if these are taught properly!) will make ALL your subsequent dives much easier. Not only is this an absolutely essential skill for diving in low-vis (UK) waters, but if and when you decide to do your PADI Rescue Diver or BSAC Sport Diver/Dive Leader course, you will be expected to (be able to) navigate underwater search patterns accurately, using both a compass and natural cues. If you skipped learning these skills, you would be cheating yourself.
"H"
2012-01-20 09:00:17 UTC
I am a PADI diver, To answer your Questions:

You can buy the book "Advanced Training for Open Water Divers" do your theory in advance / in your own time but when you do your course it has to be done there under supervision but you will find it much quicker / easier as you know whats coming & most clubs let you do it in the evenings.

As for the diving all five you select has to be done under supervision but the best is you get to choose the dives you like & they are the dive you have listed.

Your instructor will sign off your dive so keep your book with you.

The best is in most cases it's cheaper to do the coure than to do the dives without the course & I did mine at "The Waikiki Dive Center" Honolulu.

All The Best.

Neil 'H'
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2016-03-01 08:39:25 UTC
If you have an Open Water certification, that's the only qualification you need to take the Advanced Open Water course. Advanced Open Water is a great way to get more experience - with the benefit of having an instructor right there with you. The "Advanced" Open Water course is kind of a misnomer. The course is a specialty sampler with a required deep dive and also a navigation dive. You don't need to complete any additional dives before enrolling in the advanced class. At 15 you're eligible (under the PADI system) to get the normal Advanced Open Water certification. What's the difference between Open Water and Advanced Open Water? In the open water class - you learned the basics. Your instructor (along with the reading you did) prepared you to do basic diving just you and a buddy. The advanced class will allow you to try different types of diving, to step beyond the basics. You'll also improve your skills as you continue diving. There are five required dives for certification: Deep Dive Navigation Dive and three more of your choosing (kind of like electives). Your instructor will probably have some suggestions, but feel free to give some input. A night dive is a popular choice. Night diving is fun and fairly easy, but you'll appreciate having an experienced diver there your first go-round. Wreck diving, dry suit, and enriched air are other popular choices. Whatever you choose, the dive you make will count toward that specialty. For example, the Wreck Diver specialty takes four dives to complete. If you try a wreck dive as part of your advanced course, the dive can be counted as dive one of the Wreck Diver specialty (at the instructor's discretion). I hope you decide to sign up for the advanced open water course. I promise you there's no dive table or exam or any of that business. It's just having fun and diving.
Richard M
2012-01-20 04:11:31 UTC
You're going to have to check with the PADI people about this one. You need to do the theory and write the test. You may be able to complete that on line; it's something I have never done, and THEN do SUPERVISED dives for your qualification. The dives include skills demonstrations; it's not just going under the water.



So check with PADI and see how to get over this hurdle.
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2016-12-19 08:01:41 UTC
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anonymous
2012-01-20 04:12:22 UTC
Why are you asking us instead of the Uni Dive Soc? I am sure they will be happy will an informal certificate from abroad. Just ask them.
anonymous
2017-02-09 03:22:20 UTC
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